ellid ([info]ellid) wrote in [info]dark_christian,
2007-10-27 09:44:00
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More fallout from the "Dumbledore is gay" announcement

In this case, it seems that the moderator of a Snape-centric Yahoo group and website decided that Dumbledore being a "homosexual/sodomite" was too sinful for her to bear.

The link is to the discussion on the LJ [info]atheist community. Am I crazy, or does this moderator come across as a mean-spirited bigot who's read too much James Dobson?

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[info]guma_kawauso

October 27 2007, 14:10:06 UTC 4 years ago

How amusing... I just can't get over that. "Snape can be gay, but not Dumbledore." Is that what I read? IS that right? I er.... wow.... I wonder if it's because people have a negative image of an old gay mas as opposed to the rather greasy and somewhat younger gay man?

But I am curious of something. Rowling mentioned something about needing to revise a script. I'd like to see if that notation exists. If it does, then her "outing" isn't really off-the-cuff.

[info]ellid

October 27 2007, 14:13:44 UTC 4 years ago

She mentioned it on Mugglenet and The Leaky Cauldron. Evidently the scriptwriters for the fifth movie gave Dumbledore a line about a girl he'd once had a crush on, and Rowling wrote to them saying that they should omit the line because Dumbledore was gay. So evidently this was planned all along.

As for the moderator of that group...she comes across as a hopeless and somewhat prudish bigot. I wonder if she knows Laura Mallory?

[info]guma_kawauso

October 27 2007, 15:14:46 UTC 4 years ago

It's that note I'd be curious to see. I read mention of it, but the actual note would prove if Rowling just outed Dumbledore just then and there, or if she had designed him that way from the early stages.

[info]foomf

October 27 2007, 22:19:30 UTC 4 years ago

You don't have to see the note to know that she said, "I have always seen Dumbledore as gay," and the fact that she sent the note is enough.

Really, what is it with not trusting peoples' word?

[info]ellid

October 28 2007, 03:36:19 UTC 4 years ago

Evidently she scribbled a marginal note on the script for the fifth movie. Not sure if Warner Brothers will publish a screencap....

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[info]ianracey

October 28 2007, 14:44:51 UTC 4 years ago

Well, the existence of the note would prove that she wasn't making it up on the spot. But its nonexistence wouldn't prove that she was.

You're right, though, that it would be interesting to find out if the note actually exists.

[info]peradouro

October 27 2007, 14:22:18 UTC 4 years ago

I hope enough people find out before she actually destroys their work so they can get copies. I've never read it but I know sometimes the collaborative stuff that goes on in comments can be valuable.

[info]auditrice

October 27 2007, 14:32:39 UTC 4 years ago

Sheesh, I thought EVERYONE knew that homosexuals were sexual deviants out to molest our children and pervert our morality! :/

That's extremely unfortunate. I'm sorry to see such a popular community go, but on the plus side the overall HP fandom has one less jackass in it. It's also nice to see that several people are planning to start a new community, even if it does mean the loss of their old one. Don't let the bastards get you down, and whatnot.

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[info]guma_kawauso

October 27 2007, 15:20:45 UTC 4 years ago

Technically, you can be gay and celibate...

That was how I saw Dumbledore.

I think Christians call them "non-practicing homosexuals." Which makes me wonder, when do you go pro?

[info]loopyzany

October 27 2007, 17:08:38 UTC 4 years ago

That's how I always saw Dumbledore - the classic British bachelor, too busy with his books to bother with a relationship.

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[info]roseross

October 27 2007, 21:19:16 UTC 4 years ago

Technically, I always thought he and McGonagal were lovers from long ago but I cannot say my world was destroyed when I found it was otherwise.

[info]thebustocrookes

October 27 2007, 16:03:17 UTC 4 years ago

has the idiot been presuming all along that Dumbledore was molesting the girls?

Exactly what I was thinking.

As a straight guy, I'm pretty sick of the Homosexual = Peadophile shorthand that extremists like to use. Mind you, I also know more straight friends who enjoy "sodomy" than gay friends...

[info]minstrlmummr

October 27 2007, 15:00:25 UTC 4 years ago

No you're not, and yes she does/is.

I haven't read enough Dobson to know whether this screed comes directly out of his writings or not, but unfortunately it wouldn't surprise me. Dobson, Wildmon and their ilk made their fortunes insisting that any broadcast or positive depiction of any moral code different from their own constitutes an act of (culture) war 8/

In point of fact, it's this mod/owner, not JKR, who insists on using the explicit / more graphic term "sodomy" rather than the word "gay". The fact that the term comes to them by the Old Testament creates the illusion of righteous anger or something. (How do THEY know that kind of detail about Dumbledore's preferrences?)

If reading about Aberforth "practicing inappropriate charms on a goat" in an early book blipped right over the little dear's head, I question how carefully she read the books in the first place 8)

[info]guma_kawauso

October 27 2007, 15:23:59 UTC 4 years ago

That was the funniest part in Rowling's Q & A. I think she didn't want to tell the questioner because of age. :-) We can only wonder was is "an inappropriate charm on a goat?" O.o I had images, and all of them quite funny in an off colored way.

[info]catherinecookmn

October 27 2007, 16:26:19 UTC 4 years ago

Ah, Syrena! Last time I checked in at her site several years ago, she was most famous for drawing and showing a pic of naked-Snape-in-bathtub, his genitals obscured by soap foam and bubbles. For a fee, IIRC, she'd send you a version of that pic without the bubbles. (Here's a reference to said pic, thanks to the magic of Google. The original link was over at her site on http://www.jareth.com/bath.html but that doesn't work anymore.)

What was that about morality again?

[info]infinitygoddess

October 27 2007, 16:36:04 UTC 4 years ago

*sniffs* Hmmm...methinks I smell a hypocrite...that being Syrena.

[info]catherinecookmn

October 27 2007, 19:28:06 UTC 4 years ago

By the way: One of my LJ buddies found an archived link to the strategically-covered-up version of Syrena's bubble-bath Snape. Here he is!

Note his reading material, especially the National Geographic (the "Islanders Issue", no less). See, back in the days before Playboy and Penthouse, American men who wanted a respectable way to look at pictures of naked women would read those issues of National Geographic that featured articles on people in non-Westernized areas of the world, particularly tropical or island people who didn't wear as much clothing as Westerners do. Yet another subtle signifier that this supposed to be smut.

[info]infinitygoddess

October 27 2007, 20:19:23 UTC 4 years ago

And we have a winner. :p

What a silly girl this is...

[info]ellid

October 28 2007, 03:38:57 UTC 4 years ago

I also note that he's reading what appears to be a cheesy Harlequin romance thing. What a manly, macho man.

*sarcasm off*

[info]eriktrips

October 27 2007, 16:54:48 UTC 4 years ago

you are definitely not crazy. she may be. I can't read that sort of crap without seeing red. or, um, pink. bright hot angry pink. in fact hers I couldn't even finish reading.

there are times when I'd like to hire a skywriter to fly around spelling out the fallacies of the logic behind the "gay agenda" as it is conceived by the religious right.

although maybe "bombing" them with rational tracts would be the better choice.


hm.

[info]roseross

October 27 2007, 21:14:01 UTC 4 years ago

A *Snape* fan found homosexuality too sinful to bear? While Snape redeems himself, he was out-and-out evil in his youth. Genocidally, torturingly evil. But homosexuality freaks her out???? This is such an odd world.

[info]darksumomo

October 28 2007, 04:43:50 UTC 4 years ago

The snarkers at Fandom Wank are having a field day with this.

http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1117703.html

[info]thegrungediva

October 29 2007, 01:05:03 UTC 4 years ago

Is there any room for joy that someone who is obviously a right-wing conservative Christian at least doesn't hate HP? I mean, I am a little surprised -- pleasantly so -- that someone who thinks homosexuality is a sin doesn't think that witchcraft is evil. She's still a wack-job, but she's slightly less wacked out than the average dommie, yes?
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